AMD Carrizo Part 2: A Generational Deep Dive into the Athlon X4 845 at $70
by Ian Cutress on July 14, 2016 9:00 AM ESTReal World Performance at 3 GHz
For our generational testing, we took each of the four main processors in this test and adjusted their CPU frequencies in the BIOS to 3 GHz. This was achieved through a 30x multiplier and 100 MHz base frequency, which for each processor is a reduction from the stock speeds. We set each CPU to perform at 3 GHz only to fix the frequency, and ran the memory in each case at the maximum supported frequency by the processor. Some benchmarks in the generational tests will probe the memory, and an upgrade in the memory controller to support higher frequencies (officially) than an older processor is, a generational upgrade, as important as the core or cache performance.
AMD CPUs | ||||||||||||
µArch / Core |
Cores | Base Turbo |
TDP | DDR3 | L1 (I) Cache |
L1 (D) Cache |
L2 Cache |
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Athlon X4 845 |
Excavator Carrizo |
4 | 3500 3800 |
65 W | 2133 | 192KB 3-way |
128KB 8-way |
2 MB 16-way |
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Athlon X4 860K |
Steamroller Kaveri |
4 | 3700 4000 |
95 W | 1866 | 192KB 3-way |
64KB 4-way |
4 MB 16-way |
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Athlon X4 760K |
Piledriver.v2 Richland |
4 | 3800 4100 |
100 W | 1866 | 128KB 2-way |
64KB 4-way |
4 MB 16-way |
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Athlon X4 750K |
Piledriver Trinity |
4 | 3400 4000 |
100 W | 1866 | 128KB 2-way |
64KB 4-way |
4 MB 16-way |
Speaking of cache, as mentioned at the beginning of this review, the Athlon X4 845 has a significant advantage in the L1 cache layout, affording a 2x size L1 data cache along with a move from 4-way to 8-way associativity. Each of these methods, as a broad rule of thumb, typically decreases the cache miss rate by a factor of 1.414 (square root of 2x). Combined should see a factor two decrease in cache misses overall, and this will affect a number of benchmarks when we compare each processor at a fixed frequency. On the other side of the equation, the L2 cache for the X4 845 is half that of the X4 860K, meaning that if the data is not in the L1, it is less likely to be in the L2, which will add additional latency.
Dolphin Benchmark: link
Many emulators are often bound by single thread CPU performance, and general reports tended to suggest that Haswell provided a significant boost to emulator performance. This benchmark runs a Wii program that raytraces a complex 3D scene inside the Dolphin Wii emulator. Performance on this benchmark is a good proxy of the speed of Dolphin CPU emulation, which is an intensive single core task using most aspects of a CPU. Results are given in minutes, where the Wii itself scores 17.53 minutes.
Emulation takes cues from a high IPC and base frequency, however for our generational testing it is all about the microarchitecture. The Carrizo has a 9% advantage here over the Kaveri.
WinRAR 5.0.1: link
Our WinRAR test from 2013 is updated to the latest version of WinRAR at the start of 2014. We compress a set of 2867 files across 320 folders totaling 1.52 GB in size – 95% of these files are small typical website files, and the rest (90% of the size) are small 30 second 720p videos.
WinRAR enjoys memory bandwidth with its variable workload, and seemingly the Kaveri has a strong showing here. The Carrizo only has 2MB of L2 cache, which most likely puts it at a disadvantage.
3D Particle Movement v2
The second version of this benchmark is similar to the first, however it has been re-written in VS2012 with one major difference: the code has been written to address the issue of false sharing. If data required by multiple threads, say four, is in the same cache line, the software cannot read the cache line once and split the data to each thread - instead it will read four times in a serial fashion. The new software splits the data to new cache lines so reads can be parallelized and stalls minimized. As v2 is fairly new, we are still gathering data and results are currently limited.
We saw this in our laptop Carrizo testing: if we adjust the software to avoid false sharing (which decreases performance), the Excavator microarchitecture pulls a significant lead in 3DPMv2. Part of this is most likely down to the larger L1 data cache as well.
Web Benchmarks
On the lower end processors, general usability is a big factor of experience, especially as we move into the HTML5 era of web browsing.
WebXPRT 2013
This benchmark can be memory intensive, as it draws various graphs and applies filters to pictures, among other things. The lower L2 cache hurts here.
Google Octane v2
In contrast, Octane attempts to stay as close to the execution ports as possible, and the Carrizo cores take an 18% lead over Kaveri.
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Lolimaster - Monday, July 18, 2016 - link
If they don't put the full 4MB l2 for Bristol Ridge desktop, don't even bother to release it.Im actually thinking that they decided to axe BR for desktops and will be focused on Zen FX, survive with FM2+ a bit more for value and then unveil Raven Ridge Zen APU at CES.
Visual - Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - link
The "Pages in this review" links are messed up and lead to one page after what they say.In addition, your "remember me" checkbox for login when posting comments remembers nothing.
prodikl - Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - link
Could you guys please add a few more data points in your comparisons, e.g. against an i3, an i7, a celeron, tegra x1 etc. instead of just immediate-neighbor comps? I have no at-a-glance idea of how this stacks up against other CPUs in the grand scheme of things.LoneWolf15 - Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - link
If I can't get a lower-power desktop variant with the integrated GPU, Carizzo does nothing for me. I'd be happy to swap a Braswell N3700 board that Intel is falling down on with the iGPU drivers (overscan/scalling settings are broken, it's been a year with no fix), but that's what I need to get one of these;; I don't need a desktop unit without a GPU, and I don't need a notebook. I need a media center, and Carizzo would be ideal for it.eek2121 - Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - link
Nice review on the 1060! Oh wait...jfelano - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
Not a gamer, so who cares. AMD continues to smoke Intel at performance per dollar.Xanavi - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
Please get rid of Outbrainachamate - Monday, August 22, 2016 - link
I have no need for Intel CPU, ever, to do everything including heavy applications and games. Maybe benchmarks numbers are not AMD favor, but 99% of users wont see any difference. Save money still on AMD side and I hope stays like that. I do have a laptop with i5, by accident, a very cheap used one but I still use AMD for heavy editing or gaming. If I get a recent generation i7 for free I will sell it, for sure. Again, is probably 99% people out there wont see any difference. Spend your money on video, memory, ssd and hot dogs, thats all. Thanks.h3r3t1k - Wednesday, October 5, 2016 - link
I'm looking to pair my RX 460 which is PCIe x8 with either the X4 845 or 880K. Should I go for the 845 with this card?wiboonsin - Sunday, November 26, 2017 - link
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