I just rebooted and timed it. The BIOS POST takes 12s, Windows 10 brings me to the login screen in 14s, after login the desktop appears in 16s. BUT, I open Task Manager and the CPU is maxed out for 2 minutes exactly. This is pure CPU-limited, while loading the usual startup software (again, Skye, Teams, the AV...).RAM is at 5.5GB (of 16). Acer must be doing a fantastic job with their BIOS, if Toshiba doesn't even start loading windows in 8 seconds, and you're already at the login screen.
Dual core is definitely insufficient for multi tasking. My work requires 10-30 browser tabs over multiple active browsers and my 2016 late MBP i5 2 core definitely struggles as more tabs are open. I think at this point the dual core and quad core offerings on $1000+ is simply down to corporate greed. AMD ha shown 8 core cpus are possible in the $1000-1500 laptops now and their cpus are more power efficient even then. So just screw Intel for artificially dripping down cores to make more money and now screw most oems for selling 4gb and 8gb laptops in the $1000-1500 range. It costs them pennies for these upgrades but they happily charge hundreds for any sensible and reasonable ram and cpu cores.
I saw that LTT review. It was insane. I then saw this and it was the 50A per core which really rubbed it home. Also, that the fudging of graphs was so huge and so over the top that anandtech refuse to show them means Intel must be playing a really dirty game. To give an idea, I was running the COVID folding at home stuff on my 12 core Ryzen. 12 cores running at 4GHz was drawing around 138A. The CPU is water-cooled and at 75C. This Intel job is drawing 50A per core on two cores in a laptop. That's mental.
As for running two cores with no hyperthreading - a lot of our PCs at work are like that. To boot and log in to a working desktop can take 10 mins to the point where I've set some machines to turn in automatically at 0800. Then, atop that you have to open Internet Explorer. Oh yes. And that can easily take a minute. Then using the browser based applications is like wading through treacle. Treacle which frequently complains of a lack of system resources.
Yes we got the core arch, which was built on something. zen is built on a philosophy that is very old, Interconnect, and not it's core. Zen definitely has a good core no doubt, Intel also has a superb core but intel missing the glue to attach it's components together and also missing a superior node they've always had until now.
>the fudging of graphs was so huge and so over the top Hey, at least you could still tell what they're trying to pull from the graphs alone, remember the GPU Turbo fiasco? Huawei directly compared a last gen SoC w/o "Turbo" to a current gen SoC w/ "Turbo" and refused to acknowledge that they were comparing fundamentally different SoCs on any slide in the whole presentation, and that was all anybody had to work with for months. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13285/huawei-gpu-tu... Look at that slide, I doubt if anybody could surpass Huawei in playing dirty tricks for at least a decade.
Sounds like you need some SSDs. I put an SSD in a Core 2 Duo laptop and gave it to a friend and he uses it all the time, boots in way less than a minute.
On the flip side of that coin, I sprung for a 3990X. It's pretty amazing being able to tackle threaded workloads that previously took hours in a matter of minutes.
The power draw is pretty extreme - it's like a space heater when running at full load - but what an amazing tool, and not that far out of reach for normal buyers (at least compared to top-end Intel server chips priced in the multiple tens of thousands just for the CPU).
I look forward to a future - not seeming so far away anymore - where average consumer CPUs have thousands of cores, and software is properly engineered to run on such processors.
At your workplace, it's probably domain networking slowing down your boot times. I've seem some fast machines choke when joined to the domain and it has little to do with processors and memory. Take them off the domain, and they boot fast again.
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yankeeDDL - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
I just rebooted and timed it.The BIOS POST takes 12s, Windows 10 brings me to the login screen in 14s, after login the desktop appears in 16s. BUT, I open Task Manager and the CPU is maxed out for 2 minutes exactly. This is pure CPU-limited, while loading the usual startup software (again, Skye, Teams, the AV...).RAM is at 5.5GB (of 16). Acer must be doing a fantastic job with their BIOS, if Toshiba doesn't even start loading windows in 8 seconds, and you're already at the login screen.
milkywayer - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
Dual core is definitely insufficient for multi tasking. My work requires 10-30 browser tabs over multiple active browsers and my 2016 late MBP i5 2 core definitely struggles as more tabs are open. I think at this point the dual core and quad core offerings on $1000+ is simply down to corporate greed. AMD ha shown 8 core cpus are possible in the $1000-1500 laptops now and their cpus are more power efficient even then. So just screw Intel for artificially dripping down cores to make more money and now screw most oems for selling 4gb and 8gb laptops in the $1000-1500 range. It costs them pennies for these upgrades but they happily charge hundreds for any sensible and reasonable ram and cpu cores.umano - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
LTT just made a review and yes it seems it is worth the extra money, that power at 35w tdp it is really impressivephilehidiot - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
I saw that LTT review. It was insane. I then saw this and it was the 50A per core which really rubbed it home. Also, that the fudging of graphs was so huge and so over the top that anandtech refuse to show them means Intel must be playing a really dirty game. To give an idea, I was running the COVID folding at home stuff on my 12 core Ryzen. 12 cores running at 4GHz was drawing around 138A. The CPU is water-cooled and at 75C. This Intel job is drawing 50A per core on two cores in a laptop. That's mental.As for running two cores with no hyperthreading - a lot of our PCs at work are like that. To boot and log in to a working desktop can take 10 mins to the point where I've set some machines to turn in automatically at 0800. Then, atop that you have to open Internet Explorer. Oh yes. And that can easily take a minute. Then using the browser based applications is like wading through treacle. Treacle which frequently complains of a lack of system resources.
eek2121 - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Reminds me of the Pentium 4 days! ;)Of course we got the Core architecture from that debacle, so maybe something positive will come from this...
oleyska - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Yes we got the core arch, which was built on something.zen is built on a philosophy that is very old, Interconnect, and not it's core.
Zen definitely has a good core no doubt, Intel also has a superb core but intel missing the glue to attach it's components together and also missing a superior node they've always had until now.
s.yu - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
>the fudging of graphs was so huge and so over the topHey, at least you could still tell what they're trying to pull from the graphs alone, remember the GPU Turbo fiasco? Huawei directly compared a last gen SoC w/o "Turbo" to a current gen SoC w/ "Turbo" and refused to acknowledge that they were comparing fundamentally different SoCs on any slide in the whole presentation, and that was all anybody had to work with for months.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13285/huawei-gpu-tu...
Look at that slide, I doubt if anybody could surpass Huawei in playing dirty tricks for at least a decade.
29a - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Sounds like you need some SSDs. I put an SSD in a Core 2 Duo laptop and gave it to a friend and he uses it all the time, boots in way less than a minute.twtech - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
On the flip side of that coin, I sprung for a 3990X. It's pretty amazing being able to tackle threaded workloads that previously took hours in a matter of minutes.The power draw is pretty extreme - it's like a space heater when running at full load - but what an amazing tool, and not that far out of reach for normal buyers (at least compared to top-end Intel server chips priced in the multiple tens of thousands just for the CPU).
I look forward to a future - not seeming so far away anymore - where average consumer CPUs have thousands of cores, and software is properly engineered to run on such processors.
Namisecond - Saturday, April 4, 2020 - link
At your workplace, it's probably domain networking slowing down your boot times. I've seem some fast machines choke when joined to the domain and it has little to do with processors and memory. Take them off the domain, and they boot fast again.