Skylake CPU Package: Mini-Analysisby Ian Cutress on August 10, 2015 6:00 AM EST
As a short side piece from our in depth review on Intel's 6th Generation Core processors, codename Skylake, the well-known overclocker Splave has posted some very interesting images on the processor itself. We confirmed we are free to use the pictures below from him.
First up is an image of the Skylake i7 silicon die on package. With our trusty interpolation measuring skills, the die area for the GT2 enabled quad core system comes out at 9.05 mm by 13.52 mm, or 122.4 square mm. Let's put this into perspective with other dies:
|CPU Specification Comparison|
|Intel Skylake GT2 4C||14nm||4||GT2||?||122.4mm2|
|Intel Broadwell-H GT3e 4C||14nm||4||GT3e||?||?|
|Intel Haswell-E 8C||22nm||8||N/A||2.6B||356mm2|
|Intel Haswell GT2 4C||22nm||4||GT2||1.4B||177mm2|
|Intel Haswell ULT GT3 2C||22nm||2||GT3||1.3B||181mm2|
|Intel Ivy Bridge-E 6C||22nm||6||N/A||1.86B||257mm2|
|Intel Ivy Bridge 4C||22nm||4||GT2||1.2B||160mm2|
|Intel Sandy Bridge-E 6C||32nm||6||N/A||2.27B||435mm2|
|Intel Sandy Bridge 4C||32nm||4||GT2||995M||216mm2|
|Intel Lynnfield 4C||45nm||4||N/A||774M||296mm2|
|AMD Trinity 4C||32nm||4||7660D||1.303B||246mm2|
|AMD Vishera 8C||32nm||8||N/A||1.2B||315mm2|
This makes Skylake the smallest die size for a quad core desktop processor from Intel we have seen, and that is including the integrated graphics in that calcualtion. Depending on the exact architectural details, previously in Haswell the die area was a near even split for cores and graphics after the L3 cache and IO functions (PCIe, Memory, DMI) were removed.
We won't know exact transistor numbers until they are disclosed at Intel's Developer Forum in mid-August, as well as a false color image die shot to show how much die area the main parts of the architecture are using. Although given the similarity to Haswell in terms of feature set (it seems to be similar with a few minor additions such as fixed function units, slightly different libraries, dual memory channels, DMI 3.0, etc.), if we take the number of transistors that GT2 Haswell had (1.4 billion) and put them in the die area we measure from the image, this comes out to a 11.4 million transistors per mm2.
Die size aside, Skylake also has a substantially thinner package than Devil's Canyon:
According to PCWatch, the package thickness of the Core i7-4770K is 1.1mm, compared to 0.8mm for Skylake. This is a direct result of using fewer PCB layers, and here we count five for Skylake and eight for Haswell.
There could be several reasons for this. The removal of the fully integrated voltage regulator (FIVR) might reduce the number of PCB layers for power planes. The nature of the 14nm die might facilitate a thinner package as well. The cynical answer is that it is used to drive down cost. In the motherboard industry, a PCB with more layers is substantially more expensive but simplifies design when there are more features - there's also a side argument if more layers or fewer layers is better for overclocking. If we transplant this thinking to the processor, it becomes a balance of cost vs. complexity. Either way, the retail price of the processor is still relatively consistent with the previous iterations. Another thought to add to the mix would be if Intel has plans in the works to launch higher end processors based on Skylake (Kaby Lake?) in the future. The slight change in Intel's processor naming scheme (4770K to 6700K, as in 70K to 00K) also points to the potential move later in the lifetime of the product. The only hint in the naming scheme from Intel is that the 'processor numbering reflects that these processors belong to the 6th Gen Intel Core family'.
The thinness of the package has implications for removing the lid/heatspreader of the processor as well. Splave notes that previous heatspreader methods involving force, such as vices that were common during Haswell's tenure, may not be appropriate due to the thinness of Skylake. Splave shows an image of a failed attempt by another user on a Skylake CPU:
Instead, a razor method (and something warm such as a hairdryer or the bean bags that iFixit uses to warm up glue in smartphones to take them apart) to cut through the black adhesive between the package and the IHS is suggested and it what was used for the CPU above. As there are no FIVR resistors to worry about on the top of the package, the first resistance a razor blade will encounter after the black adhesive is the silicon die itself. All that being said, over at PCWatch they successfully have used a vice method.
Interestingly the heatspreader for Skylake is heavier than that from Haswell by nearly 20%, moving up from 22g to 26g. Given the copper mass that usually sits on a high end processor this should not matter much, although basic aluminium coolers might see a small benefit here by virtue of the minor extra mass. This might also just be that the mounting requirements for Haswell and Skylake are the same, and the extra mass comes from the added z-height required to maintain the mounting as before.
So why are we talking about removing the heatspreader? Back with Haswell (as well as Ivy Bridge to a degree), it was discovered that the thermal interface material between the silicon die and the heatspreader was both an insufficient amount and lower quality than previous generations, as well as the heatspreader being far away from the CPU due to the black adhesive, causing more air bubbles and poorer heat transfer than is optimal. For a stock processor, this difference has little effect to the use of the system, but for overclockers it meant that they were more thermally limited than silicon limited with their overclocking.
Devil's Canyon changed that - here was a better binned Haswell processor with a higher quality package, giving a ten degrees cooler system at load. It is worth noting that previously on certain platforms Intel had been providing a mixed metal interface (generalized as a soldered interface) between the silicon and the heatspreader, which is the best but most expensive option. If the cost of the interface is reduced by 0.1 cents, then that's a significant saving on millions of processors. Devil's Canyon was a small subset of sales, so spending that extra for that specific crowd could be seen as beneficial to Intel's perspective by overclockers.
To paraphrase Splave again, he comments that the thermal paste (TIM)o n his Skylake is certainly worse than that of Devil's Canyon. If the extra mass on the IHS is coming from a taller heatspreader (by virtue of the smaller package substrate), then more TIM is needed otherwise there will be substantial air bubbling of the TIM between the CPU and the heatspreader. By replacing his own thermal paste and resecuring the heatspreader, he saw an 18°C drop in temperatures at his highest air overclock with the old paste (5.1 GHz at 1.48 volts) - from 96ºC that overheated to 78ºC on the warmest core. An 18°C drop is immense. Under those conditions, and based on rough testing not published in our Skylake review, it could equal another 100-400 MHz depending on the quality of the processor. PCWatch confirms that switching out the paste with CoolLaboratory’s Liquid Pro (a liquid metal adhesion interface) reduced temperatures at 4.6 GHz from 88ºC to 68ºC
This throws up some questions - is this just a result of design decisions for cost, or is there a Devil's Canyon type processor coming later in the design cycle?
Source: Overclock.net, PCWatch
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extide - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkWithout the heat spreader you wont be able to close the lid on the LGA socket, or at least it wont clamp down on the processor correctly. The LGA socket actually pushes down on the heatspreader to compress the CPU against the LGA pins on the mobo, so without that in place the socket will be pressing against the PCB on the CPU which is probably pretty fragile -- overall not something I'd want to try!
Gondalf - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkIntel is Devil. With this cpu Intel says: hey! my HP process is fine......still it can be better. Next year, with the "refresh" Intel will give us the same cpu on the "same" process, with AVX2 enabled and likely some internal buses running at full speed, moreover there will be a far better TIM than actual and.......Intel: hey!!! the process finally is fine !!! look!! the cpu is cooler !! it overclocks. to 5.2Ghz!!!! do the upgrade please!!!!
Honestly a good Zen cpu is the only medicine to stop this crap monopolistic way to act.
ShieTar - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkYeah, because we don't get this kind of process-optimisation updates with GPUs, where we have a functioning duopoly. Or mobile phones.
ImSpartacus - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkGpus are worse because most enthusiasts actually need more gpu performance. I can't say that I've lusted for more cpu performance in a long time.
ImSpartacus - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkYou mentioned zen, but I don't think that'll help. Amd quoted like a 40% improvement over bulldozer in power thread performance, but there's a graph that shows skylake beating bulldozer by like 80%. I can't recall the graph, might've been in the tech report review. Needless to say, it's not looking good for amd.
silverblue - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkI think AMD said 40% faster than Excavator, which is bdver4. Was Skylake beating Bulldozer, Piledriver or Steamroller in that graph, and at what test?
With each generation of the Bulldozer architecture improving performance by about 7-10%, Excavator would already be 30% or so faster than Bulldozer; another 40% on top would get that 80%, but Excavator's performance is untested at this point so speculation is all we have.
Xenonite - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkWhat are you talking about?
AVX2 has been enabled on Intel CPUs for 2 generations already.
Gondalf - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkSorry i meant AVX 512 :).
Still the crap habit of putting an inexpensive TIM in a $350 cpu is here to stay i believe. A cpu aimed to entusiasts has to be soldered IMO.
Computer Bottleneck - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkIn the following recent thread involving AMD AM2 processors there were at least two people complaining of increased processor temps---> http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=24383... Apparently beginning with AM2, AMD used TIM which could dry out....increasing temps.
This, of course, is several years before Intel started doing the same (which started with IVB in 2012). With that mentioned, I wonder if we see the same thing (TIM drying out) happen with Intel processors over time?
Pissedoffyouth - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkAMD solder the IHS to the die. So you can't remove it.