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  • name99 - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Please give us
    - 12 ports
    - PoE
    - SFP
    said NO small office/home buyers EVER.
  • Valantar - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Agreed. Lop off the SFP+ ports and ditch the PoE and management functionality and this would be interesting, even if I would really want a couple of those remaining ports to be 10GbE then.
  • jeremyshaw - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    ?? PoE is only on one of the two models.
  • Beany2013 - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Having worked for many SMBs and done AV installs, you'd be surprised how often something that isn't rackmountable (because not many SMBs have 19" racks....), and has less than 24 ports, but has a decent amount of throughput is actually useful.

    But then, I only spent 5 years working as lead tech for an MSP, what would I know?
  • Valantar - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    SMB≠ SOHO
  • Gigaplex - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    So? Just because SOHO doesn't want this, doesn't mean SMB doesn't want this. The article made no reference to SOHO.
  • Valantar - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    ... You were responding to a comment that specifically talked about SOHO customers.
  • zdz - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Why? Where I live (central Europe), new residential buildings are mandated to be fiber-wired (FTTH). Partly thanks to that law, every ISP offers fiber connection, almost always ending with a GPON transceiver. And GPON is just a SFP+ module… throw in some vlans (for routing/firewalling) and you have perfect device to connect your soho to the internet.
  • MilitaryNerd - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    I'm sorry, have you met literally anyone that buys Ubiquiti gear? I might get one of each of these 😂
  • Samus - Sunday, February 2, 2020 - link

    Ubiquiti is the shit. I outfit offices and warehouses with their equipment daily.
  • AdrianB1 - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Actually I could use one of these: PoE for the IP cameras outside my house (not a great neighborhood), SFP+ to link to my NAS via Direct Attach Copper (lower power consumption than UTP), 12 ports because I already use 7 of the 8 ports in my current switch (that does not include the cameras, I have 2 more switches in other parts of the house). I don't need 4 SFP+, 2 would be enough (the second one to link to another switch that needs to be in a different place). This would be the switch in the basement, the ones in the house are 5 ports each.
  • bobdvb - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    @AdrianB1, agreed, I have a DGS-1510-20 under the stairs with 16 1GbE, two SFPs and two 10G SFP+ ports. It's connected to the workshop in my garden where there is another DGS-1510 by fibre. Switching to fibre from PLA cost me less than buying new PLA adapters when they broke at Christmas.
    For the access points and IP cameras I use a 4 port passive PoE injector under the switch.
  • vladpetric - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    While I don't need 12 ports, I just rewired my home with cat7 cable.

    POE is great for powering ubiquiti APs, whereas 10gbe is great for my main PC and NAS.
  • Samus - Sunday, February 2, 2020 - link

    The thing is...what PoE devices are beyond Gigabit? I've seen none.
  • azazel1024 - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    I mean, if it really is affordable, like $100-150 and is power efficient (no more than 20w max power budget), I'll say yes to the dress. I mean switch. Don't need those SFP. Or, well maybe a pair of 10 gig fiber ports wouldn't be bad.

    My use case is I want a minimum of 2 ports of gig speed or better to link this switch to my core switch. Then a port for my server, a port for my desktop and then a minimum of 2 extra ports for future proofing for my router and an access point. So 6 minimum. Ideal long term use would reserve 2 for my server, 2 for my desktop, 2 for uplink and 1 each for AP and router.

    Rack mount could be nice, but I can just sit it on top of my rack mount 24 port core switch.

    I am running fiber out to the shed/workshop I am building as I don't want to bury Ethernet and ESPECIALLY because the she is probably going to be on solar power, NOT on the mains from my house. Should not present ground loop issues over an Ethernet cable. Also don't need to find out that it does. Also lightning protection. So fiber. Its also 78 meters from my core switch to the location of where I am building the shed/workshop. So that, plus some short patch cables, and the cable needing to run to some location within the shed/workshop is pushing what cat cable can handle.

    But a 1GbE link is fine and my 24 port switch happens to have 4 SFP ports already. But hey, 10Gbps SFP+ in the future between them, why not!?!
  • azazel1024 - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    And actually on another thought, I could just get an SFP+ card and transceiver for the switch and my server instead of a 2.5GbE card for it. Desktop can be slower. No worries there, just want faster than 2xGbE it is today (and have several Cat6a cables run to my office).
  • mrvco - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    While I haven't made the jump to 10G in my home office, when I do, I would prefer copper 10G to SFP. I do use PoE to power a router, WAP, NMS controller and a couple of switches, so PoE is useful. 24 client ports would let me re-purpose those two switches. I also have a short 19" telco rack to keep things organized, so rackmount ears would be useful as well.
  • dontlistentome - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    That's funny, as the backone of my home network (including connections to my server) is 10Gb fibre over SFP+, and i've a ton of PoE gear.

    Uses a fraction of the power of 10Gb ethernet, especially when talking about some of the 30m runs I have in place.

    There's a reason Mikrotik are doing a roaring trade in their CRS305 boxes.

    I use PoE to power
    - my in-room switches (ubiquiti unifi)
    - my wifi access points
    - the CRS305 box
    - my security cameras
    - my unifi controller/camera recorder
    - a couple of raspberry pi boxes

    I'm not alone.
  • Samus - Sunday, February 2, 2020 - link

    The PoE part is really mind boggling...I mean what devices are PoE that are beyond-Gigabit, and what PoE devices have beyond-Gigabit pass-through (like phones) where the beyond-gigabit signal will be utilized?

    Very strange inclusion.
  • legogris - Tuesday, February 4, 2020 - link

    Guess what, that hits my sweet spot and I don't think I'm alone.
  • TomWomack - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Will it be able to switch between the SFP ports, or are they uplink only? Four ports of 10GbE for less than a third of the price of a Ubiquiti ES16XG wouldn't be too shabby.

    (the ES16XG is not a thing of beauty and a joy forever - the one I have is unable to support 10Gb connections over the RJ45 ports, and requires transceivers rather than using direct attach cables - but it is a roughly-16 port basically-10Gbit switch for £600)
  • liket - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Uplink port on a switch has used to mean crossed cable instead of straight, before every port could sense the cable configuration.
    It's not really a thing anymore other than in network design.
  • khanikun - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    MicroTik has a 5 port for $130. Four 10Gb SFP ports and one 1 GB Cat-5 port. I just use direct attach cables to my machines. I didn't want to purchase extra SFP 10gbase-t modules.
  • e1jones - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    With PoE, it's probably close to $300.

    It looks like a product in search of a market. Not enough 'slow' ports... I have a 24x 1G dumb switch now with about half the ports occupied. The 10G stuff is direct connect.

    A drop in replacement with 10G added... one interesting option looks like the Trendnet 30284.24x 1G + 4x SFP+. The SFP+ to 10GBE adapters are getting cheaper... Serve The Home has been reviewing them in quantity lately.
  • fazalmajid - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Does anyone actually use 2.5G ports, let alone PoE-powered devices? I don't think so. Why would I get this over a Mikrotik switch with 24 1G ports and 4 SFP+ ports for the same price?
  • jhh - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    WiFi 6 can do more than 1Gbps. But, most people can't get more than 1Gbps externally, so its mostly useful for people with large internal data transfer requirements.
  • saratoga4 - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    New Intel chipsets will come with 2.5 soonish.

    But yeah if you know what sfp+ is, the mikrotik stuff is already fast and cheap.
  • Gigaplex - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    I'd use them if they were available.
  • Dug - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    I do use 2.5Gb ports and PoE. So your thinking is wrong.

    Why you would get this instead of 24 1Gb ports? If you use 2.5Gb devices and PoE to your access points.
  • Duncan Macdonald - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    What I would like to see - an 8 port unmanaged 1000BASE-T/10GBASE-T auto switch for under £50 (like the current 8 port 100/1000 switches that are available for under £20). For home and small business use 10Gig over Cat 6 or Cat 6a cable is far less hassle than optical and is far cheaper.
  • Ej24 - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Bingo. I agree. 4, 8 and 12 port 10G unmanaged switches with regular cat 6. Toss some pcie aquantia nics in your pc's, good to go.
  • Kelv1n - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Won't happen anytime soon, first 10G is still bleeding edge for SME devices (unheard of in 99% of Consumer devices) which make it "premium". Second the complexities of 10G-BaseT, include ASICS and heat generation make it unviable to deliver at those low cost.. maybe in 5-10 years.. (until a few years ago, most consumer switches were still 100Mb)
  • supdawgwtfd - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    A few years?

    Try a decade+!

    GB switches have been cheap for a long long long time.
  • PixyMisa - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    If the 10G ports on this were RJ-45, that would be good enough.
  • mode_13h - Thursday, January 30, 2020 - link

    Netgear's MS510TX was just on sale for $210 (now it's back up to $260). You get:
    2x 10 Gig (one is SFP+)
    2x 5 Gig
    2x 2.5 Gig
    4x 1 Gig
  • yetanotherhuman - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    It's still the best value for money. I keep mentioning it as well, because it really stands out compared to the others.
  • mode_13h - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    For me, the only negative is that it appears to have a fan.
  • shikibyakko - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    Give more 10GBASE-T ports at reasonable prices, and I'll consider it.
    This is literally the only reason why I'm struggling if I should contract a 10Gbps internet connection.
  • mode_13h - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    Are you serious? If your annual subscription fee for 10 Gig connectivity is less than current 10 Gig switch prices, I'm simply stunned. Otherwise, if you can easily afford the subscription fee, then the price of a switch should (ultimately) be no big deal, so you might as well just eat it.

    I'm not even sure why someone would need that kind of connection to a home (?), unless you're copying huge amounts of data to/from the cloud.
  • shikibyakko - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    I live in Japan. Here there is a residential 10Gbps internet service by Sony (NURO) that costs not that much from a "common" 1Gbps service.

    So yeah, prices of switches are the main reason I've not yet contracted the 10gbps service.
  • mode_13h - Saturday, February 1, 2020 - link

    OMG. That's nuts! With 10 Gigabit prices so low, that simply *must* create a market for more 10 Gigabit networking products.

    I'm slightly amazed that it's not just a sales ploy, by Sony, to sell their own networking hardware.
    Though, I guess I'm assuming they really don't make any - not that I just haven't heard of it.
  • dontlistentome - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    10Gb over copper in the home isn't going to happen in the next decade. There, I said it. Too much power consumption and no need when 2.5G will cover 99% of home-use cases. You might get 1 or two ports but that's it.

    This time next year 2.5G will be on most medium/upper desktop boards and higher-end laptops

    It'll be a few years before 5G makes and progress (if at all).

    The real elephant in the room is multi-gig wifi. More people are renting globally and running cables is not an option .. plus there is no need to when every few years the wifi speeds double. That's why there might be the odd 10G port on equipment, just to plug in the base station for the wireless mesh.
  • Tomatotech - Friday, January 31, 2020 - link

    I don’t understand why you think 2.5 gig will be on most laptops in a few years when the trend is for most laptops to get rid of their Ethernet ports entirely by then.
  • mode_13h - Saturday, February 1, 2020 - link

    I guess like mobile workstations or high-end gaming laptops could still feature a hard connection, especially if it provides faster speeds than wifi.
  • patrickjp93 - Tuesday, February 4, 2020 - link

    Hmm, now if I could just get a WiFi router with 2.5/5/10G ethernet ports so I could hook up my NAS at full speed over the WiFi network.

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