One of the key issues with purchasing a modern Alder Lake system today is the cost of the memory, especially when an enthusiast wants to use DDR5. Due to component shortages, particularly the power management controllers that each DDR5 module needs, costs of DDR5 are quickly rising, with some scalpers looking for $1000+ for basic memory kits. The solution to this has been to recommend that users look to pair Alder Lake with DDR4 memory, which although it isn’t the latest, is the more cost effective scenario. The downside to this solution is that the user has a DDR4-only motherboard, and not the next generation DDR5. That might become a solved issue soon enough, however.

In a preview video on YouTube posted today by Bing, who I believe is an ASUS ROG employee, the company has been working on a solution to allow users that buy ASUS Z690 motherboards built on DDR5, to run DDR4 in them. Because Intel limited the platform to either DDR5 or DDR4 per motherboard, there’s no way to run both, until now. In the video, Bing describes the new add-in card they’ve been prototyping.

The use case is fairly simple – have a DDR5 board like the ROG Apex, put the carrier card in a memory slot, and place the qualified DDR4 in the top.

Obviously, the situation here is more complex than simply using this carrier card. DDR5 and DDR4 are more than simply a notch difference between them – DDR4 is a single 64-bit memory channel per module, while DDR5 is dual 32-bit channel per module. The key issue is that DDR5 does power management per module, where DDR4 relies on power management on the motherboard, so that has to be taken into consideration. Also, adding in a carrier card extends memory traces, which could degrade the quality of the signal.

What ASUS does here is use a special BIOS revision to allow the ROG Apex DDR5 to run in DDR4 mode. This means that the traces to the memory slots, although laid out for DDR5 operation, are switched into DDR4 mode. Then, on the carrier card, this takes the 5V power signal and runs it through the equivalent of motherboard power management, and controls the data lines to maintain integrity for signal, latency, power, etc.

Bing explains in the video that this is still very much a prototype. It looks like they’re focusing to get it to work on one motherboard with one memory kit first, before optimizing it. Bing states that the carrier card is very tall, and there is room for optimization to make it smaller in the future before ASUS might offer it as a retail product. Also a wider range of validation is likely needed as well.

The video goes to show with a single DDR4 module in the carrier card the system running at DDR4-4400 with a Core i5-12600K. To confirm DDR5 still works, the system is shown running dual modules of DDR5-4400, at least to the BIOS screen. If these modules come to market, they are still in early prototypes, and ASUS will likely judge feasibility and demand for them for pricing.

Source: YouTube (in Mandarin)

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  • shabby - Thursday, December 30, 2021 - link

    Shouldn't the title read ddr4 to ddr5 converter card? Reply
  • ikjadoon - Thursday, December 30, 2021 - link

    DDR5 Slot to DDR4 Slot Converter is most correct: this add-in card cannot convert DDR4 dies to DDR5 dies, so it's not a "DDR4 to DDR5 converter", technically.

    It's converting the DDR5-capable slot to a DDR4-capable slot. It's still DDR4 you'll be using.

    And, because it's not a universal solution, more like "ASUS ROG on UEFI xx.xx DDR5-slot to DDR4-slot Converter", if this leaves the prototype stage.
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  • at_clucks - Thursday, December 30, 2021 - link

    Language isn't precise enough here to adequately describe this with one word. Conversion implies tow states so depending on which end do you consider for your point of view: it converts between a DDR5 connector and a DDR4 connector. "To" and "from" mean little in this setup, this may very well transform a DDR4 slot (of the adapter) in a DDR5 one. The adapter after all is half slot, half "module", using the chips on the DDR4 memory, adding the extra power management that normally is on the MoBo PCB, and more, into one DDR5-Franken-module.

    Perhaps a "DDR4 module to DDR5 slot" would be the most straight forward description.
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  • Ian Cutress - Friday, December 31, 2021 - link

    The PCB here says DDR5 to DDR4 Reply
  • Brane2 - Thursday, December 30, 2021 - link

    What a clustefuck.
    First you pay heavy rpemium for the DDR5 MoBo for extra layers and better materials that DDR5 mandates.
    And THEN you have to pay extra $$$ on top of that TO REVERT MOST OF THOSE CHANGES BACK.
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  • meacupla - Thursday, December 30, 2021 - link

    With Intel 12th gen, DDR4 mobos are not a problem, but AMD 6000 series might only work with DDR5, leaving no option to run with DDR4.

    And then this adapter might come in handy, when you can't find DDR5, because scalpers.
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  • RaistlinZ - Thursday, December 30, 2021 - link

    Yeah...until scalpers buy up all the converter cards. This is the new world we live in. Reply
  • mode_13h - Sunday, January 2, 2022 - link

    >.until scalpers buy up all the converter cards.

    Motherboards can include a pair of these shims, if DDR5 availability continues to be so problematic.
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  • flyingpants265 - Monday, January 3, 2022 - link

    ... Yeah, I think I'll just stay on DDR4. Reply
  • timecop1818 - Friday, December 31, 2021 - link

    The article very clearly says the adapter does NOT actually convert DDR4 signalling to DDR5, nor is it even possible to do reasonably.

    What the system does, is the BIOS configures the CPU to run in DDR4 memory mode, which happens to use the same pins on the cpu, and then electrically adapts DDR4 module to connect to those signals, and provides the needed power regulation etc that the module needs.

    If AMD ever releases a DDR5 only board, you'll need DDR5 RAM to go with it, and no conversion will be possible.
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